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Post by spareme on Nov 9, 2005 16:09:53 GMT -5
It's about time a line is drawn. I too read the story about this supposed ban and attended this past parade. At no point did Mrs. Steinbach mention that the Libertarians or the Peace Group were Banned. The author of the article did. What she did say was that they could if they wanted to. Here's hoping they do. I am a parent of 2 children who couldn't wait to see the parade. They had an excellent time. I have found the Crystal Lake Parade to be one of the best in the State. However, The lies that have been told about these 2 floats is appalling. I witnessed thousands of children having to experience viewing the statue of liberty carrying a sign about how many murders the US has committed, while dropping the âFâ bomb to angry parents for voicing their displeasure (PEACE GROUP?  ) How about a group constructing as a float, a jail cell filled with blood (red paint) and a German SS Soldier, replete with a German Shepherd, walking up to our children and demanding to see their papers (LIBERTARIANS???) Parades are for the community and for our children. It should not be a pulpit for a small group of people to express their views in the presence of children. My message to the 15 to 30 people that this may offend.....GET REAL AND GET LOST |
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Post by flare on Nov 9, 2005 17:49:44 GMT -5
I think you need to GET REAL AND GET LOST! It's people like you who let are freedoms slip through the cracks and turn this place into a jail.
"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it. "
Thomas Jefferson, to Archibald Stuart, 1791
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)
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Post by spareme on Nov 10, 2005 11:23:22 GMT -5
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Post by Cortez on Nov 10, 2005 12:02:57 GMT -5
This Mrs. Steinbach lady is wrong for what she is doing. I read all the articles and it sounds to me like she doesn't want these groups to participate in the next parade. I am kind of curious if the these two groups were in past parades. If they were that means Mrs. Steinbach is changes the rules as she pleases and that is not right. You can't shelter kids from everything. Now and then they need to see what the real world is. If you suppress your kids to much they will not be able to make it in the real world once they become older. Teach your kids now what really surrounds them. Maybe they might be able to change the world in the future.
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Post by spareme on Nov 10, 2005 12:57:29 GMT -5
Rules are meant to be changed, just as they are often broken. I have been to many of the parades in the past and these 2 groups have been in past parades. I do not believe that Mrs. Steinbach wants to ban these 2 groups as that would give even a bigger voice to the 15-30 numbskull's out there who don't get it. I believe she just wants them to tone their act down. What they got away with at the last parade will not be tolerated again.
Since Flamer er Flare likes to quote slave owners from 250 years ago, I will quote the legendary Spock:
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Antigone on Nov 10, 2005 20:56:02 GMT -5
Yep, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. A FEW people complained, MANY people enjoyed those floats and would like to see them again next year. It is WRONG not to let them express their views. That's what freedom is all about. If they can't express their views, why would they even bother to march in the parade? What would they do, just carry a banner advertising "McHenry County Peace Group"? That wouldn't make any sense, no one would know what they are about. It's alright for all these other businesses advertising their services, political parties advertising their points of view and urging us to vote for them, but not for these groups to tell people what they are about!? What, everything has to be so sugar-coated that we can't teach our children about things like people who died in the Iraq war or how our freedoms are being eroded? Isn't freedom about many different points of view being expressed, even ones you might not agree with? THIS is what we should teach our children instead of sugar coating what life is about and hiding the facts of what our country has become by not allowing groups of people who you might disagree with to express their views!
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Post by Site Admin on Nov 11, 2005 5:38:04 GMT -5
Antigone, I think that sums it up well. What is the point of having groups attend a function if they cannot express themselves? In a sense, these people were banned form the parade. I guess it is better to piss off the many and cater to the few. If you look at it, this parade does not tell you anything about what the fourth of July is about. All it says is who to vote for, where to buy your next car, and which Mr. fix it business to use.
If you real want to do a public service, banned smoking and public drinking during the parade. Yes, public drinking. That has a bad influence on kids. Has anyone complained about that?
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Post by spareme on Nov 11, 2005 9:15:52 GMT -5
You people crack me up. There were thousands of people booing you through-out the parade. You had 1 moron (the one that works at the Shell Station) swearing at parents. You seem to think it was your message or your views that are the problem. Wrong again. It's your delivery, or in short, the ding dongs that are delivering your message.
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Post by Site Admin on Nov 11, 2005 9:42:15 GMT -5
You people crack me up. There were thousands of people booing you through-out the parade. You had 1 moron (the one that works at the Shell Station) swearing at parents. You seem to think it was your message or your views that are the problem. Wrong again. It's your delivery, or in short, the ding dongs that are delivering your message. Booing who? Who works at the Shell Station? What message? Are we still talking about the same thing? |
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Post by spareme on Nov 11, 2005 9:59:34 GMT -5
I'll try to slow it down for you.
;D
Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought your message is about promoting peace.
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Post by Site Admin on Nov 11, 2005 10:01:21 GMT -5
I'll try to slow it down for you. ;D Correct me if I'm wrong but, I thought your message is about promoting peace. What message? This board or something else entirely? |
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Post by flare on Nov 11, 2005 10:10:04 GMT -5
It says it at the top that this a message board and not a peace group!
#frowny#
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Post by spareme on Nov 11, 2005 10:55:33 GMT -5
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Post by Antigone on Nov 11, 2005 12:16:59 GMT -5
Actually, believe it or not, but I don't think anyone from the McHenry County Peace Group goes and posts on this message board, or, in fact, any message board. They are just not inclined toward electronic forms of communication. Why do you find it so hard to believe that someone who is not at all associated with either the libertarian party or the peace group would want to protect the rights of those who have been treated unfairly? You think, just because someone thinks that what was done was wrong, then they must be the wronged party. That's not the case here!  |
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Post by spareme on Nov 11, 2005 12:46:56 GMT -5
Good point. Then I guess I'm concerned with the lies that I read on this board. A float that looks like a bloody prison with an SS trooper walking around it with a chained German Shepherd approaching children and demanding to see their papers is inexcusable and should not be tolerated. I know of hundreds of folks who called to express their displeasure.
As to the theory that Mrs. Steinbach would like to see these acts banned. Riduculous!! That would be a terrible move for 3 reasons:
1. It gives even a bigger platform for these groups and thusly more air/newspaper space.
2. It is Unamerican.
3. It is what they want.
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) How about a group constructing as a float, a jail cell filled with blood (red paint) and a German SS Soldier, replete with a German Shepherd, walking up to our children and demanding to see their papers (LIBERTARIANS???) 
