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Post by Antigone on Nov 11, 2005 15:07:10 GMT -5
But see, Ms. Steinbach DID get these things banned! She told the people who had these floats that they may not express their views. That's basically the same as banning them.
Now, about: 1. It gives even a bigger platform for these groups and thusly more air/newspaper space. 2. It is Unamerican. 3. It is what they want.
EXACTLY!! You are right on. Ms. Steinbach did a very unamerican act, by telling these groups that they may not express their views and curtailing their freedom of speech. It DID indeed give them a bigger platform, as evidenced by all the media attention....
Do they want that? I don't think so. They want to be able to express their views. Not everything in this country is as it should be. It is VERY American to protest things that people feel is wrong. What do you think the American Revolution was about in the first place? Ms. Steinbach is like the Queen of England, she wants to limit people's freedoms and rights in order to maintain propriety and political correctness.
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Post by Site Admin on Nov 11, 2005 22:00:26 GMT -5
Good point. Then I guess I'm concerned with the lies that I read on this board. A float that looks like a bloody prison with an SS trooper walking around it with a chained German Shepherd approaching children and demanding to see their papers is inexcusable and should not be tolerated. I know of hundreds of folks who called to express their displeasure. As to the theory that Mrs. Steinbach would like to see these acts banned. Riduculous!! That would be a terrible move for 3 reasons: 1. It gives even a bigger platform for these groups and thusly more air/newspaper space. 2. It is Unamerican. 3. It is what they want. Let me put this in perspective for you:
What if I took your posting privileges away because I had complaints from a few members saying they did not like what you are posting? How would you feel if I told you that this was a private board and that is why I took your privileges away but you could still read other posts?
I would not do this to you since I do believe in freedom of speech. The only thing that I would suppress is misused language, vicious rumors, porn, and things that would promote any bodily harm to any person.
In reality, is this a private board? The answer would be yes except this board can be viewed and used by anyone who chooses to do so. Therefore, this really is not a private board.
This brings back to Mrs. Steinbach and the parade. The parade is held on public streets to which anyone who chooses to view may do so without any special permission or invitation. So I am right by stating that this parade is not a private parade. Therefore everyone should be allowed to express their views. #mousedrunk1nu# #mousedrunk1nu# #mousedrunk1nu# #mousedrunk1nu# #mousedrunk1nu#
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Post by Antigone on Nov 13, 2005 0:20:06 GMT -5
So....I wonder, how about it? Can Luise Steibach stop the arguements and just let those groups express their views next year? Or is it that now she made a stand on it and feels that backing down would be a weakness? Perhaps she even realizes now that IT WAS A MISTAKE to ban people's points of view! Hmmmm?
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Post by Cortez on Nov 14, 2005 12:23:58 GMT -5
No, I don't think she can. She more concerned about herself and her parade.
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Post by spareme on Nov 14, 2005 12:30:56 GMT -5
The logic expressed on this board is laughable, not to mention the spelling and grammar. Please make no attempt to put things in perspective for me and please tell me that Antigone is not on staff at MCC (2 words "Spell Check"). Bottom line, this is a parade, not a protest. If they want to protest THEY should organize one, not use the parade. The parade is organized by a private group for public viewing, to celebrate Independance dayraise money for the community.
Let's face facts, if these 2 groups organized their own parade/protest it would be attended by 20 people (that includes their family and friend). That won't work will it. So they want to use the parade. Nice.
Go Libertarians, and take the peace group with you.
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Post by Site Admin on Nov 14, 2005 13:31:11 GMT -5
The logic expressed on this board is laughable, not to mention the spelling and grammar. Please make no attempt to put things in perspective for me and please tell me that Antigone is not on staff at MCC (2 words "Spell Check"). to celebrate Independance dayraise money for the community. It's not nice to make fun of people since everyone could make a simple mistake like yourself. "Independance"Correct: Independence "dayraise" ? No such word. Anyways, you will never know who will show up at the next parade if it held on the Fourth of July.Let's face facts, if these 2 groups organized their own parade/protest it would be attended by 20 people (that includes their family and friend). That won't work will it. So they want to use the parade. Nice. Be careful for what you wish for.
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Post by spareme on Nov 14, 2005 13:56:11 GMT -5
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Post by Site Admin on Nov 14, 2005 16:52:40 GMT -5
Resorting to threats Xander??? Let me put it in perspective for you. ;D ;D ;D ;D My wish is to see a parade with out the Peace Group and the Libertarians. I hope to see more floats celebrating independence (got it right this time) day. Will my wish come true? I hope so... Let me put it in perspective for you.......... GIVE ME A BREAK. You see, when you send out e-mails all over the country to these interest groups explaining the situation, it tends to get them upset. I do not get involved with protests, it's not me. It is up to others to orchestrate from there. I do know some of these groups have numbers from 20 into the thousands. #LOL# If you really think about, Steinbach is being very unreasonable.
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Post by Antigone on Nov 14, 2005 19:50:49 GMT -5
First of all, I am not on the staff of MCC. I don't know why anyone would think of that. And, honest to goodness, we got no association with either the peace group OR the libertarians. We don't even agree with some of their views! But we DO strongly believe in the freedom of speech. Second, I object to you telling us what to write about and not to write about on our very own Board!! After all, we run it, not you! Third, I think a seperate demonstration is an excellent idea. We will get a whole bunch of peace group activists, libertarians, and whoever else is angry over our rights to freedom of speech being violated like this and we will all march right behind you in the Gala parade. We won't be part of the parade, we'll just follow it. So, it will be a nice surprise to all parade organizers! See you there!
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Post by spareme on Nov 15, 2005 10:10:29 GMT -5
First of all, I am not on the staff of MCC. I don't know why anyone would think of that. And, honest to goodness, we got no association with either the peace group OR the libertarians. We don't even agree with some of their views! But we DO strongly believe in the freedom of speech. Second, I object to you telling us what to write about and not to write about on our very own Board!! After all, we run it, not you! Third, I think a seperate demonstration is an excellent idea. We will get a whole bunch of peace group activists, libertarians, and whoever else is angry over our rights to freedom of speech being violated like this and we will all march right behind you in the Gala parade. We won't be part of the parade, we'll just follow it. So, it will be a nice surprise to all parade organizers! See you there! I am not telling you what to write about. I would never presume to do that. I understand freedom of speech. I am excersising it all the time. I will never understand your position on the parade. As to your protest/demonstration, good idea and good luck with that.
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Post by Antigone on Nov 15, 2005 17:47:05 GMT -5
Oh...we'll have great luck and lots of fun, I promise you that. ;D You see, maybe we contacted lots of different groups all over the country...and maybe, just maybe on the 4th of July, they will march right before or after the Gala Parade and cause lots of excitement!! We'll all see, shall we not?
As for not understanding our point of view...I think our point of view is simple enough. We simply think that banning groups from expressing their points of view is wrong. We also feel that all the politicians and churches in the parade ALSO expressed their point of view. Will the ban on that ALSO effect them as well, or will they be allowed to push their idealogy down everyone's throat? I happen to know one member of the peace group who does not believe in God, for instance. Is it okay for him to be exposed to all the garbage that the churches espouse - such as Noah's Ark floats when he thinks there never was one, or little qoutes on their cards? If THAT's allowed, as I'm sure it will be, then the other groups should be allowed to express their point of view as well.
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Post by cartoon on Nov 16, 2005 19:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by Cortez on Nov 20, 2005 15:20:41 GMT -5
Who is in charge of the festival of lights thing? I hope it's not this lady. She'd probably kick Santa out.
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Post by flare on Nov 23, 2005 11:33:04 GMT -5
No. It was in the paper. "Diana Kenney" Here is the article: CRYSTAL LAKE - A parade that has become as much of a day-after-Thanksgiving tradition as turkey leftovers will float through Crystal Lake on Friday.
The Festival of Lights Holiday Parade starts the holiday season with Santa's first visit of the year.
Diana Kenney, co-program manager at Downtown Crystal Lake, said she expected the most parade entries ever this year. The event starts at Crystal Lake Central High School, 45 W. Franklin Ave.
The parade goes north on Walkup Avenue, then veers northeast Grant Street, east on Woodstock Street, then south on Williams Street. Kenney said that starting at 5:30 p.m., parking will be banned on the south side of Woodstock Street and both sides of Williams Street.
The event is more than just the parade. Music and entertainment will be offered in downtown Crystal Lake to help residents get into the holiday spirit.
Santa, the last entry in the parade, will light the Christmas tree at Crystal Lake Avenue and Williams Street.
Kenney said money from increased sponsorships had improved traditional events instead of creating new ones.
"We've enhanced the events we do have," she said, adding that the "traditional, warm fuzzy events" get people into the season.
Children who miss Santa at the parade's end have more chances to sit on his lap and give him their wish lists.
Breakfasts with Santa will be hosted by the Crystal Lake Park Foundation at D'Andrea Banquets, 4419 Northwest Highway, Crystal Lake, on Dec. 3, and by Downtown Crystal Lake at Old Towne Hall, 54 Brink St., Crystal Lake, on Dec. 10.
Santa also will make a temporary home at Brink Street Market throughout the season.NWHERALDLuise is not that organized.
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